Both seem content to keep their operations relatively small and homegrown for the time being, which is refreshing in an age of constant pushes for expansion. While Johnstone says she's been "approached by a lot of different brands" about collaborations, she hasn't yet waded in, as she's still waiting for the right opportunity. She also gets hundreds of lysol disinfecting wipes DM's and emails a week from "people asking me to paint on weird shit: their shoes, their Ugg boots, their purses," but "I try to keep everything pretty streamlined to my brand." While she first began working with upcycled items, she now produces her own cut-and-sew pieces and plans on branching into hand-painted silk styles soon.

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